Inverlorne, the haunted 1878 mansion in St. Thomas Every home has a story. Let us tell yours.

0:00 Welcome to Inverlorne

0:00 Hey St. Thomas, Paul and Ryan here from the Featherstone Sadler Real Estate Group. We promised you a Halloween winner. Well this one's got the gothic architecture. This one's got the stories and the history that we said we'd deliver on. And here it is, 1 Wellington Street.

0:32 Meet Rick, and a royal dinner table

0:32 Hey Rick, how you doing? Good, how are you? So I guess it's true, the ghost stories are real. They are real. Every person drives by and they want to know a little bit about the man behind the house. So you want to tell the people of St. Thomas a little bit about yourself? For me this house is a passion. We bought it four years ago. We actually own the entire mansion so we own both sides. We've had the other side for about 10 years.

1:01 Then we had an opportunity to buy this. It's a lot of work, it's a lot of money. I like that. But it's a great endeavor, we're really pleased with it. The house was finished in 1878 and in 1878 Princess Louise stayed in the house.

1:16 So she's the daughter of Queen Victoria. So this is the original dining room suite with the house. And so she probably sat at this table. Wow, that's incredible. Beautiful table, looks brand new. Yeah, it was when we took possession of the house. I moved the table and it fell apart into two pieces. But they weigh about 250 pounds each. So they just stayed standing.

1:41 The goddess of the dawn and 300 pound doors

1:41 First thing I'm noticing in this room is that fireplace too. Yes, so it's a Grecian fireplace. It was built probably in the early 1900s when the renovation was done on the property. When it was split in half. Goddess of the dawn, wasn't it? Goddess of the dawn, yeah. So in the morning as the sun comes up, she goes across the sky and brings light. It's doors. Like you don't walk into too many, like they look like 300 pound doors a piece.

2:10 Like you don't walk into too many homes that have like this. So like do you have anything you can tell us about the doors and the millwork here? I can tell you that each door does weigh a couple hundred pounds. When we did a renovation upstairs, I had to remove the main door to the bedroom and carrying it was a nightmare.

2:32 Sounds like it. So we took it out and I kept it intact in order to move it just because I wanted to make sure that it stayed in one piece.

2:41 So yeah, it weighs a lot. So the moaning upstairs that day were not ghosts. It was just your back cracking under the weight.

2:50 That is true. That is very true. So, but there I've never really seen anything like this in any endeavor that I've ever had.

3:01 Archibald McLachlin and Princess Louise

3:01 But the, there was no expense spared when they built the house. Archibald McLachlin was the builder of the home. He was a very wealthy man from Scotland. He started the St. Thomas Times Journal here in St. Thomas, brought the railroad to St. Thomas. Was he a ship builder too? No, but he also was one of the main people involved in building Alma College.

3:26 Oh, wow. So, and actually when you see there's a lot of the same architecture here that was in Alma College, which is no longer.

3:35 So, but yeah, it was a pretty, it's a pretty amazing house. And it was built for the wealthiest of the wealthy. And again, royalty has stayed in the house. And continues to. I am actually, I'm actually a lord, so. Well, that's how we should address you. So the home is actually, the home actually is named Inverlorne. And it was named by Princess Louise. She was they were the Marquess and Marchioness of Lorne. And so when she was here and stayed in the house, she actually named the house.

4:13 And so when we walked through to there was like the home's crest, I guess, as we walked in through the front main door there.

4:22 And is that like. So that's the McLachlin family crest. Oh, that's. You see it at the entrance. And also when we get to the second floor, I can show you in the master bedroom up at about 16 feet is another copy of that window.

4:36 So it's pretty cool. Everything's original. The, we're not sure. So the house was built in 1878. And then Archibald McLachlin died in 1893. And then it was separated in the early 1900s. So that the spinster sisters or spinster daughters of the family could live on that side.

5:01 So the other side was inhabited by family till 1940 when it was sold.

5:34 Oh, wow. And then there was Archibald McLachlin here with two of his children. And this is the house in the 1890s.

5:46 It's funny.

6:16 The parlour, where they laid out the bodies

6:16 So this is where they would lay out the bodies when they passed. I don't know if you know that about history. I didn't know that. So the parlor, they used to not have funeral homes. So what would happen is families would be brought to rest or before they would have a funeral out of the house.

6:34 And there's many funerals I'm sure out of this house. And that was in this room here, right? This room. The parlor is where they would lay the body out. So if you didn't have money, they would lay your body out on your dining room table. So that was very common in the day, but a house like this, obviously they've got you know, yeah.

6:55 It's pretty interesting, but yeah, I mean, then funeral homes came into play and people were buried out of funeral homes.

7:05 So I've gone through archives and I've seen different points where somebody was laid to rest from one Wellington.

7:11 So there's a few different people, aunts, uncles, people like that would be laid to rest from here.

7:18 So yeah, so this is the room and this is actually another story. Oh One of the McLachlin sons or grandsons of Archibald McLachlin.

7:35 And in 1919 I believe it's 1919.

7:41 He his, he was cleaning his gun after the war and the gun went off and he died in this room.

7:50 So yeah, there's some speculation that actually was the dining room, but I don't want anybody to, you know, die at my table.

7:58 So, but you know, again, it's a story.

8:05 I don't really tell that often in the house. Just because I don't I like to keep positive energy in the house. Oh yes. So I always like to make sure that there's, you know, they do talk that he came back from the war and he was depressed.

8:17 Like so they don't quite know what happened. And that's what we're leaving.

8:24 One mansion, two houses

8:24 Again, the house was renovated in, I think it was the 1890s when it was split.

8:30 So what they did was they triple bricked between the two houses and completely closed it off and then kept them as separate addresses.

8:40 It's crazy. You would think like, I don't know, like conceptually, I would think like something like this, you would preserve as one mansion always, but I guess like family.

8:50 Yeah, this is actually, so this is the first time since the 1940s that the home, the entire home has been owned by one family.

8:59 So it's still separate deeds, but we are looking now at joining it.

9:05 Have you ever thought about that, Rick? We are. Taking it back as one. It's just, it's a very interesting piece of history. And we would like to do something with the house that makes sense because it's a very big house.

9:21 And so you know, eventually, I guess the last owner used to have it as a music venue. So they would do he was the musician. He was I don't know, a Scottish singer or something. So he would have they would do Inverlorne after dark and they would bring people in and play music and do all sorts of things.

9:42 The smoking room

9:42 So this is the great room or the smoking room. So this is where the gentleman would retire after dinner. Smoke a cigar. So smoke a cigar, hang out. And scotch. The ladies would be at the other side of the house. So at the other side of the house, there's a covered porch there. Now it's a room, but it used to be an outside porch like this. This used to be a porch also. So this would be where they could go outside, smoke, come inside, hang out.

10:09 This is where they would come in. What's that chain on the side there? Was there like a shade that would come? This? It actually, so it actually, so it holds and it locks. So critical for your 12 foot door. For everybody. Actually, it's funny. The last owner of the house, she actually said that at different points, she would, she would smell smoke.

10:32 Oh really? In this room. So whether it was somebody smoking or the fireplace, but I don't know. But yeah, they swear that they would hear, they would smell smoke. Which was kind of cool. So this actually, this other piece here that people think this is original with the house, but it's not. The previous owner's father built it. And he had purchased a bunch of pieces from a Toronto auction. And he built it and they installed it.

10:59 So it's pretty cool. When I was originally, when we originally bought the house, I thought, oh, I didn't want to keep it. But I'm glad I did. Cause it is a beautiful piece. It is beautiful. It is cool. Like, it looks like a knight's like helmet. Like that's really neat. It's a pretty intricate carving up top. So yeah, we're pretty happy with it. I just decided to do a, there's no TV, no place for TV in a house like this.

11:25 So, you know, with the art TV, it works out really well.

11:29 Gifts from the McLachlin family

11:29 That's great. I've been in contact with the family. I've actually been in contact with a couple of different branches of the family over the years.

11:38 The original family who inherited the last person to inherit this house was a woman named Bobby McLachlin and Bobby passed away in 2014.

11:49 And her cousin was another branch of the family and she used to come and stay all the time in the house and hang out.

11:55 And they contacted me after we took possession of the house and they asked if they could come and check things out, look at the house.

12:04 And they came and they brought me a whole bunch of memorabilia from the house. This cup, for example, is from the 1878 visit of Princess Louise. Oh, wow. So it's a pretty cool cup. It sat in the house for many years. And when they did the auction, they decided to take it out of the house. But they brought it back to me when they came to visit. That was their little gift to me. So that is pretty cool. And then there's pictures of family and Archibald McLachlin and the house.

12:36 They've also sent me a whole bunch of stuff from like a lot of their photo albums.

12:43 And they gave me an online view of the house over the years. So I have photos of the house from the 1940s and whenever. Oh, that's incredible. So it is a, it's a pretty cool thing. Nice scrapbook. So I was actually talking to Jean last week and I guess they're coming down at some point to meet the historical society.

13:02 Cause they're going to be dropping off the paperwork that they have of the house. Oh, wow. Back to the historical society, which is pretty cool. They're going to owe you something. They're going to owe me big time. Which is, it's good because maintaining that history and bringing that back, I think is very important because it could be forgotten if somebody hadn't reached out.

13:24 So they reached out to me and then they were happy with the fact that the house was being well cared for. And then they you know, then now they're open the floodgates, so to speak. So it's nice to get this stuff.

13:36 Why Rick bought it

13:36 Did you kind of like previous to your ownership here, did you already have kind of like a collection of history about this house or was this something that's kind of come and you've kind of like, as you've owned it and had, you know, just like more interest.

13:47 I've always been interested in the house. So everybody that passes the street and passes the house is intrigued by it. We had an opportunity, I think it's 10 years ago now to purchase the other side as a, as an investment property we're landlords.

14:02 So we purchased it as an investment. And I fell in love with the house at that point. I was like, okay, so what I want to do on the other side is I want to renovate the whole side cause it was three apartments. I want to renovate it and I want to live here. So it was not really feasible. Maybe in, you know, 10 years down the road, it would have been feasible. So I ended up speaking with the woman who owned the house here and she had just purchased it a couple of years previous.

14:29 And she said she was never going to move from it. So, but then they decided to move. I think what happens is I think a house like this can be overwhelming and my partner and I do a lot of renovations and we can pretty much do what we need to do.

14:45 So it allows us to, you know, to not spend big money to do things.

14:51 So for us, it made sense. And she decided she wanted to get out of it. So paid a little more for this side than the other side cause we bought it just in COVID. So but the house has been, you know, well worth it. It's a fantastic, again, it's a fantastic endeavor. I'm an avid gardener also. So I brought the gardens back and it is quite a, it's quite nice to see in the summertime you know, as you drive around this whole corner now.

15:19 And we were concerned if we didn't buy it, we were concerned that it was going to be converted to something that we didn't want to see in the neighborhood.

15:27 So for us it made sense. We own the other side. So when you own the adjoining property, you just want to make sure that this investment is going to be well cared for.

15:36 Italianate architecture and the pilasters

15:36 So what's the inspiration for the architecture? Is it more of like an Italianate? It's an Italianate. So it is, it's an, it's Italian. And the house is very Victorian also, but Victorian inspired.

15:52 So it was built before 1878, but yeah, the house is Italian and Victorian.

16:03 They just took the best of both. And I don't know if you've seen outside, if you've seen the pilasters out front and they, yes, sure.

16:12 Come on out. So they did, they spared no expense when they built this house. Well, we can tell. So you see on this side, you know, the way the windows and the structure is built. It's, you know, it's top to bottom and over here there's a pilaster and the second story bedroom basically sticks out.

16:32 Oh, it's sitting on top of that. Sitting right on top of the pilaster, which is pretty cool. It's an amazing, it's an, the architecture in the home is really amazing. Can you imagine being the mason to kind of like, look at, like everything's arched. Like, come on. They didn't have the equipment that we have nowadays to do that. I imagine them going up there doing the bricks. Well, especially since you look to it and you look at the pieces around, you know, around the windows.

17:00 I mean, they must weigh a ton. The pillars must weigh a ton to put in. Oh my gosh. Imagine. So, and they didn't have anybody moving it other than themselves. She only climbs the first landing. Yeah, actually that's something that she stopped doing. He constantly looks up. And then stops. And then, they dogs know. I think so too. They know. I think so too. Oh, excited, Rick. Let's head on up, check it out.

17:25 Up to the attic, and the bats

17:27 Alright. It's a little rough. Usually we'll get to these to a home inspection. But I cleaned up all the dead bats.

17:46 Massive. So it is a, yeah, it's a really interesting attic. We plan on doing a renovation and converting it to living space up here. A cool space. But we have to clear out the bats first. That makes sense. We've had a lot of we've had a lot of issues with bats over the years. Couldn't get them to pay rent. They can't pay rent. They gotta go. They're evicted. But yeah, the space is so if you look at the house, the space on the other side is the same.

18:16 So we've converted the other space into an apartment up on the third floor. Huh. So it's a pretty spectacular open concept apartment. But this side will be our personal space. I wanted to invite you to the Christmas party. It looks like you guys got a Macy's here. Just a couple trees, eh, Rick? Just a few. We do a real one also. So I always do a floor to ceiling real tree. Where'd the ladder go, Rick? I was gonna ask that too.

18:45 The ladder goes to a route to the roof. I've never been up. Because what they've done is it used to have a flat roof but they've put a curved roof on it.

18:57 So I don't know what the space is like between the two. And I'm a little concerned that's where the bats are living. So not really. That makes sense. If you want to go up. Don't want to pop them open. You want to go up? We can do it. So but yeah. So yeah, apparently there used to be a widow's walk on the house. Oh, cool. So people used to be able to go up and be up on the roof. That was a flat roof.

19:50 This was a red light and I'm not sure what this is.

20:01 I'm sure it's to beat rugs, but I don't know what these are for.

20:08 A little bit of suspension going on here. What's this thing? That's a rug beater. Oh, rug beater.

20:15 A. McL 09, and the stage that is not a stage

20:15 Of the day. That's neat, eh? On the other wall there, it says A. A. McLachlin or A. M. C. L. And then the date. What's the date? I can't remember if it's. There it is. So if you see A. McL 09. That's 1909, not 2009. Oh, wow. So yeah, so that's been there for quite a few years. And then if you look here at this, we have, this is the ceiling for the master bedroom.

20:47 Is it? Oh, cool. So it's not a stage. Although, party could happen here still. Our child, our daughter, she's in a band and she thinks that it's a great place for a stage. But it's not a stage. Through the ceiling.

21:01 The crest window

21:01 And if you look up in the master bedroom, when you look up. It's a long way down. It's a 17 foot ceiling. No thanks. We'll stay off there, right? Same crest. So that's the McLachlin family crest. And it is a pretty phenomenal window. Most people when they don't see that it is, you know, the family crest they think that it's just a blue window when they're from outside.

21:28 But what you'll see is, oh, you'll see right there. It's, so the blue is there. So what you'll see is the blue image will go around the room and then stop there in the summertime.

21:42 Oh, wow. So you can see. As the sun is less. That's like the sun cycles. So it's pretty cool. That's actually awesome. It's amazing with the scale when you're down here and you're like how big this room is and you're like, that's what was up there.

21:57 And then, and again, when you're in the attic, that's the stage. This is it, right? That's the stage. So you don't want to fall from the stage. There's no question. No, I don't. I don't think you'd survive. No, it'd be hurt.

22:08 The gentleman's room and the ladies' room

22:08 You've refinished these pine floors, but. At the time, like carpet was like something that nobody had even really explored or heard of. So for these rich folks to have like the first carpeted kind of like bedrooms, like was. So for this, in this house you'll see that the gentleman's door is. Taller than the ladies door. So this is, this depicts the gentleman's room. The floor was carpeted at the time and you did not have carpet in 1878.

22:39 It was very rare. And very expensive. So, oak flooring throughout the rest of the house and his was carpeted. So it was very interesting because the carpet must have been there for many years or they may have changed it.

22:54 But when I got these floors, they were rough. So I was able to sand them down pretty easily and get them refinished. So, the ladies bedroom is here, which is my office. Oh, this is a beautiful room too, Rick. Yeah, it needs some work. So it's one of those rooms that has some crumbling plaster.

23:15 Really the only room in the house that has any issues. But yeah, it's it needs some attention for sure. Is that the part of the house that the pillar's holding up over there, Rick? Yeah, that's the part that the pillar holds up. Awesome. It's very cold in the wintertime. But yeah, it's a pretty phenomenal thing. And I don't know if you noticed, but the windows have all been replaced, but the windows were all rounded when they were built.

23:43 So all the windows have curbs. Which is, I wish they had kept them. Cause the windows here are terrible. Our windows, I don't know, they're vinyl windows and they all have shrunk.

23:55 A fireplace with a window

23:55 So the air that comes in is brutal. So it'll have to all be done. And then this is also a coal burner fireplace. So I think it was probably a wood burner at one point.

24:12 But it has a coal box that's up in the attic. So the box actually sits here. You fill it with coal, you light it. And then it vents out on either side. This is a very unique feature because it's a window. So, yeah. So cool. Cause typically you would have a straight vent up the chimney, right? That's right. And they've kind of diverted both sides that you could have a window. So on each side there's, so there's a chimney on each side.

24:40 One of them is for the parlor and the other one is for here. So this one, I think this one goes this way and up. And then the other one comes from the other side and up. So if you look out of the house, on either side of this window are two chimneys. So cool. And this is another spare no expense type feature. Where that's something is unheard of. I've never seen it before. And it's interesting because when we were buying the house, I discounted this when I was looking at pictures.

25:10 Cause I thought, oh, that was never a fireplace. Cause it's like decorative. It's stupid. But yeah, so it is a true fireplace. Very neat. It's very cool. That's really cool.

25:22 Owning a heritage home in St. Thomas

25:22 What's this like a marble? Like a marble. The downstairs one is marble also, but it's painted like it's had some sort of a decoupage on it. So it's been painted and I don't know, we're not allowed to touch it. So that's part of the historical society rules. You can't touch the outside of the house. And on the inside, the listed protected items are the trim works, the fireplaces.

25:51 And I think that's it. And all the crumb buildings. So what's the restrictions on the outside as far as like preservation on the outside? You can't change anything without permission. So if you, if it's a regular maintenance thing, so if we want to replace the roof, we can. If we want to paint the house, we can. But you can't change any of the architecture. But they don't have any sort of like we want you to use these materials or.

26:16 No, it's not like that. It's not like that. Historical. A lot of homes in St. Thomas are historical. Yep. So they do put a whole bunch of rules in place. But I think if you're improving your home, I think you'd be approved. You're the right type of person to own historical property anyways, cause you already have that preservation mindset.

26:39 I do. So, you know, I understand like they just don't want to bastardize like this beautiful piece of history.

26:46 And that's it. And that's, I mean, that was, again, for us, that was the fear. The fear was that it was going to be, it was going to be turned into a, another apartment building.

27:05 No it's just, it was just, it needed the love again. And I think that's what the house has. The previous owner, she was really good. She did a great job on the house. But I think for her, I think it was, I think it's a lot if you don't do the work right. So we've had a bunch of the bricks fall at the back of the house. So there's an area that came down and that'll be our next project to start to put it back together again.

27:32 So for anybody who's thinking about buying historical, you know, save your pennies. Save your pennies. Yeah, save. You have to. And it is a, it's an expensive endeavor. You just have to, you have to be able to do stuff. I think when people, I think people now especially landlords, I think landlords, if you want to survive you have to be able to do the work.

27:55 You have to be able to change those floors or, you know, do the plumbing or electrical or whatever. That's a good thing about you guys, hands on the project. And we're electrical contractors also. So Mike is an electrical contractor. So for him, anything that comes up, although I say that, but most of our house is not one too. So, but it's covered, it's insured. So, but right, you can do that. It's just, it can be, you just can't touch it.

28:23 You just can't alter it. And I think a lot of handymen go in and try and alter stuff. And then that's when the house burns down. This is a spare room and it's probably the worst room in the house right now. Oh, cause you know, it's full of furniture that doesn't really go.

28:40 Oh, look, and then you see it's Halloween. Cobwebs. I have a lot of cobwebs in the house. So that is, you know, that's her room. It is a beautiful room. We won't go in there. But I have a story.

28:57 Do you believe in ghosts?

28:57 Do I believe in ghosts? I believe in spirits. I believe there's stuff there. Yeah, sure. My partner is not such a believer.

29:09 But a few weeks ago, probably about five weeks ago now, it was 4.30 in the morning. And we got up because I always have coffee with Mike before he goes anywhere. And he had a commercial dive job. So he was leaving at like 5.30 or 6 o'clock. So we got up to have coffee. And he, we got, he got dressed. He opened the door to go to downstairs to make coffee. And he saw, oh, what he thought was our daughter at the end of the hall.

29:43 Well, first what happened was our French bulldog went running out. She always knows that there's water in the far bathroom on the floor. So she went running out and over to the bathroom to get water. And then what Mike saw was he saw our daughter go across the hallway, just right in front into it to the point that he said, good morning to talk to her.

30:07 Won't say her name, but he said her name. And I'm sitting there going, what are you talking about? It's 4.30 in the morning. There's no way in hell she's up because she gets up at the end. Like 11 or 12 or whatever. So I said to him, I said, she's not there.

30:28 So then the dog come running back and then he went through his morning. And when he came home from work, he said I didn't want to say anything at the time.

30:39 He said, but I saw her go from her bedroom to the bathroom, to the dog. And I'm like, well, wait a minute. No, you didn't. Cause she wasn't here. But he saw somebody in a dress walk across the hallway, which is a very interesting thing.

31:00 That is very interesting. So I've never, have I ever felt energy?

31:07 Lots of people, when they come in the house, they come up the stairs and they think that somebody, they think of a woman at the top of the stairs.

31:13 My dog doesn't climb the stairs. She just looks up. You have to pick her up and carry her up the stairs cause she won't come up the stairs. She used to, but now she doesn't. So what is it? I don't know. I mean, you didn't go through the family photo album afterwards and start identifying.

31:34 So I'm gonna say this and it could just be coincidence. But the member of the family that comes to, that's gonna be coming to see us.

31:47 She sent me a photo a day later of a woman with a Jack Russell sitting on her lap.

31:54 And it was her, I think it was her great grandmother. So the daughter of Archibald McLachlin with a dog. And Mike said that whoever was going towards the bathroom was following our dog and was very jovial.

32:10 Was it Lucy? It was Lucy. So it's a very interesting story, but I can't explain it. I don't know. We've also had one of the neighbors in the other house. He was telling our daughter that one day he was walking down his home.

32:31 He was walking down the hallway and he was wearing a robe. And he said, and something tugged on his robe. Wasn't his wife. An electrician was working in the house way back when and they said that somebody was standing on the stairs looking at him. I don't know. Was it the ESA? If there's anything in the house, it's very calm.

33:01 So, and I don't have an issue being in the house. I think in the beginning when we first bought the house I had issues in the house at night. Like I was like really freaked out, but I mean, it's a big house. Any big house by yourself. Haven't you learned the light switches yet? Gonna feel a little bit weird. And you know, and the house is, I mean, it's knob and tube. So, you know, I mean, sometimes, you know, sometimes lights flicker and whatever.

33:27 Old houses make noise. They do. So, I don't know. Maybe there's something here. Maybe there's not. I love it. I'm a bit nervous.

33:38 Orbs at the wedding

33:39 It's also interesting because we got married a couple summers ago. Outside, like we had a big tent wedding and the previous owner, we invited her to come to the wedding and she was there and she took a whole bunch of photos of the front porch and the wedding.

33:57 And there were all these little orbs in the pictures. Oh, these and all the photos? And all the photos. And it's funny because she's a non-believer for sure. And she said to me, she says, but what's this? So she sends me the photos and says, but what's this? And it's like, I don't know what it is. Maybe the house is saying hello. You just want to be involved in the wedding. They want to be part of it. It was a good wedding.

34:22 But it is interesting. You know, when you look at energy and you look at, you know, at the past and you realize this house has been here since 1878.

34:33 It's long gone. And there's a lot of generations that have been here. So cool. It's cool.

34:38 What you do not know does not scare you

34:38 You know what? Like our first time we met, like I did not know that, you know, the parlor people were being late. Oh yeah. And then all of a sudden my mind's going like, Oh my goodness. But it's also like a peaceful, you know, a peaceful thing too. So, you know, from that perspective, like, you know, and your experience in the house. And I think most people, but I think most people are, you know, if you were in a funeral home in the middle of the night, I think you'd be scared.

35:02 I think they'd be like, you know, what am I doing here? A hundred percent. So, but that's my living room. And then that's probably most people's living rooms. So it is interesting that what you don't know doesn't scare you. Now I'm scared. If my daughter sees this, then she won't be in the house for a while. I don't know. I just, I'm very comfortable here though. It's a very, it's a fantastic home to live in. It's a beautiful home.

35:25 Amazing place to be. Hey, I would trade you homes any day of the week. If I have with all the special guests too, I'll trade you straight up. It doesn't matter to me. There you go. This place is amazing. I love this house.

35:39 Thank you, Rick

35:40 Thanks Rick so much for welcoming us into your home and giving us the historical account. Pleasure Rick. Thank you very much. Thank you. So Rick was our incredible winner for our Halloween contest. Thanks for joining us. And if you're looking for full size chocolate bars this season, you need to come to see Rick.